In an interview with Lex Friman, https://youtu.be/UPzZClKudq8?si=h9w8K1wakg31wl9o, Mr. Kennedy tells how his father threw the gauntlet down for him and his siblings with the “Anne Frank question.”
Here is the excerpt from the interview:
Mr. Kennedy: “One of the other things that my father talked about from when I was little, he would ask us this question: If you were the family and Anne Frank came to your door and asked you to hide her, would you be one of the people who hid her and risked your own life or would you be one of the people who turned her in? … that's been kind of a lesson, a challenge that has always been near the forefront of my mind…”
Of course, I can’t be sure if or to what extent the “Anne Frank question” still plays on Mr. Kennedy’s mind these days. Still, I am wondering if it does, will he have the moral fortitude to ask himself: What would I do today if a thirteen-year-old Palestinian girl knocked on my door and asked for refuge?
As of yet, I don’t believe that the Israeli lobby owns Mr. Kennedy, but I do think that Mr. Kennedy’s uncompromising pro-Israel position is his blind spot.
Four weeks ago, Mr. Kennedy’s presidential candidacy was among the few bright and hopeful lights in a troubled, dangerous world teetering on the edge of the precipice. His blind spot must not prevent him from reaching his goal in November 2024. The US and the World need him.
RFK, Jr. is calling for no war with Iran, as if that statement will rehabilitate his cratered peacenik cred. Me thinks not. Anyone siding so deeply with The Genocidal State of Israel as Kennedy does inevitably becomes a party to Israel's longstanding, extreme commitment to go to war with Iran. You can’t be for Israel post-October 7 without acknowledging war with Iran is part and parcel of that Faustian bargain.
It's OK to support the genocidal killing in Gaza, including thousands of children, as long as there is no war with Iran? Incredibly convoluted "logic,"
Really? He totally supports the Israeli murderous assault on Gaza, and you are congratulating him for not wanting to go to war with Iran? How on earth can anyone say the attack of October 7 was "unprovoked," as RFK Jr asserted in his tweet on October 8? Gaza has been under Israeli siege since 2006, interrupted by repeated outright attacks on the 25 miles long by 5 miles wide Zone. Just since 2008, the Palestinian death toll (in Gaze, the West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem, neighboring nations) due to Israeli actions is 158,000. The Israeli death toll due to Palestinian action is 6000. 25 to 1. And lets not go back to 1948, or even to the late 19th Century, when the ethnic cleansing began.
How you square his "Children's Health Defense" with his call in the same tweet to provide the Israeli military with whatever it needs to pursue a long-term war, when over 3400 children have been killed in Gaza just since October 7 (another 37 in the West Bank), due to Israeli military actions? These actions have included the targeting of hospitals, 12 of which have had to be shut down. with another hospital, a Turkish one, being hit today. With the Gaza Strip being cut off from food, water and power, and often no communications with the outside world. Answers, or more obfuscations? It's up to you.
If you obfuscate, pretend to not notice,..... i will challenge you. Hypocrisy doesn't get a pass here.
Thanks very much. 🙏🏼 I was beginning to despair about RFK Jr supporters being willing to address this glaring aspect of what he stands for. I was just unfriended on FB by one of his steadfast supporters. I was born in Tel Aviv, months before it became part of Israel, left with my family in 1958, settled in New York. I was eyewitness to ethnic cleansing. Some of the best and loudest voices about this long ongoing cleansing have been Israelis such as Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy and Amira Hass.
Michael, you present a vague statement being all for peace, but continue to support someone who has stated the US should provide the Israeli Zionist regime with everything it needs to prosecute this campaign of ethnic cleansing. Sorry, bro, but this won't do.
This statement on Iran is a clear statement of peace. And no, it is not perfect. I'm not arguing that with you.
Politics is the art of the possible. I can think of 1,000 reasons to support RFK Jr. for president but only ONE REASON not to. To end my support for him over this issue which I have never taken an activist position on makes no sense for me.
If it makes sense for you, I respect that.
But don't forget you are giving up Health & Medical Freedom, regenerative agriculture, ending the War in Ukraine, true non-greenwashed environmentalism, common sense solutions, healing the divide, bringing statesmanship back to America and ending the Jerry Springer show we call political engagement today in our nation.
I've fought for Medical Freedom for years. I've supported candidates like Lee Zeldin in NY who I disagreed with on 50% or more of their platform because politics is the artform of the possible and folks like Zeldin supported Medical Freedom.
Michael, i have hated Noam Chomsky's stance on Operation "Pandemic" as well as 9/11. But he did well by branding the notion of "The Art of the Possible" as "crackpot realism,"
" Health & Medical Freedom, regenerative agriculture, ending the War in Ukraine, true non-greenwashed environmentalism, common sense solutions, healing the divide, bringing statesmanship back to America and ending the Jerry Springer show we call political engagement today in our nation."
You mean the boosting of an Italian corporate low wage labor camp, San Patrignano, as his model for today's Peace Corps? The appointment of a Big Pharma top executive and corporate consultant into CHD's Chief Operating Officer? The appointment of Charles Eisenstein as the campaign's chief philosopher, someone who is a key player in Celo, one of the biggest pushers of 4IR? His pushing Cryptocurrency? His continued pushing of the "Pandemic"/"COVID-19"/"SARS-Cov-2” con job, every piece of which has been revealed to be a fraud?
"Hey folks, I’m going to be taking about ten days off to celebrate my mom’s 80th birthday. In the meantime, please check out the videos I made as part of my Camelot Corner series on the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. presidential campaign. The first explores an advisor to the California Chapter of Children’s Health Defense, lawyer Michael Baum who was an un-indicted co-conspirator in Operation Snow White in which covert operatives acting on behalf of Scientology stole records from numerous government offices in the 1970s. I discuss impact finance in the incarceration / recovery space and Crimanon/Narcanon, which relates to an interesting recent development. Bobby announced his vision for creating a “Peace Corps” for low-cost P3 addiction and mental health recovery centers based on the Italian San Patrignano model. In 2021, a Netflix investigative series, SanPa: Sins of the Savior, brought that program back into the public eye. SanPa, which is connected to prominent politicos and oil, finance, and manufacturing interests, practiced coerced labor, physical torture, and even murder. It’s since been rebranded as a “sustainable” social enterprise, offering an efficacious blueprint for “recovery” just in time for mass 4IR economic dispossession and cybernetic social systems engineering with digital behavior tokens.
I also made two presentations focused on the role Charles Eisenstein, advisor to Web3 social impact platform Celo, will be playing to frame out a mythology around Bobby’s “Kennedy Democrat” candidacy. In the first video I explain how the initial phase of “authoritarian government” overreach set the stage for decentralized “tagged” agents exercising a radical, participatory digital “democracy” in a surveilled “commons” using tokens and a language of programmed “community” currency in a new game of noetic emergence. Also featured is the Bretton Woods 75 anniversary event sponsored by Bancor’s Galia Benartzi, Benjamin Netanyahu’s niece by marriage to his third wife Sara. The event, which was held at the historic Mount Washington hotel and featured yoga, storytelling around the campfire, tea ceremonies, and a lively debate over the future of reserve currencies (dollar, yuan, or crypto), was attended by 200 stakeholders from the worlds of global finance, blockchain, and social impact venture philanthropy. Charles gave a keynote presentation on inter-beingness, the death of “Mother Earth,” and the emergence of a new spirit, “Lover Earth,” that comes expecting gifts and is going to be keeping track of donations and withdrawals by humanity (cue distributed ledger technology).
In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano.
The idea of basically a group of Europeans claiming superior land rights from basically a group of people who are largely descended from the Biblical era region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean (people who converted to Islam or Christianity and adopting the Arab language) is beyond obscene.
Pretty sure those statistics you're quoting about Israeli and Palestinian deaths are actually Palestinian wounded vs. Palestinian dead not Palestinian dead versus Israeli dead.
The death totals are approximately 6000 Palestinian and 300 Israeli. That's still a 20 fold difference, but a couple of orders of magnitude less than your numbers.
Here's the database where those numbers come from:
You are looking at the death totals of *the last three weeks or so*. NOT what i was talking about. Quoting the comment you are responding to,
"Just **since 2008**, the Palestinian death toll (in Gaze, the West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem, neighboring nations) due to Israeli actions is 158,000. The Israeli death toll due to Palestinian action is 6000. 25 to 1. And lets not go back to 1948, or even to the late 19th Century, when the ethnic cleansing began."
While it is good that he says he opposes war with Iran, his support for funding Israel is a contradiction of that. He apparently understands the relationship between funding Ukraine and the war and problems with peace but he doesn’t understand how funding Israel, a wealthy country, and giving it weapons is affecting anything? That is ludicrous. American citizens are not being warned about traveling over seas because of Biden’s stance on Iran. It’s his stance on Israel, which is even less belligerent than rfk jrs stance. And even Vivek has a better position on Israel that rfk jr. Unfortunately rfk jr is still full of shit. He hasn’t any chance of winning unless he stops supporting the funding a theocratic apartheid state that is wantonly murdering children out of vengeance and blind wrath. Rfk is blind and I have no interest in voting for him right now.
You can argue that RFK is wrong on his position(s) on Israel, but claiming he will lose the election as president of the United States over it is unrealistic.
When is the last time we had any president who was not a staunch supporter of Israel ?
“When is the last time we had any president who was not a staunch supporter of Israel ?”
That’s irrelevant. A lot of the people who are potentially going to vote for him were originally drawn to him, myself included, because of his anti-establishment, anti-forever-war stance. The fact that he is supporting the number 1 establishment forever war completely undermines his integrity. He has no more credibility than Nikki Haley or any other warmongering establishment tool as long as he supports sending American tax payer money to the Israeli government. It’s obscene. And it’s very disappointing and sad. I had briefly thought that that Rfk could represent a legitimate alternative to The Empire. But apparently right now he doesn’t either have faith in the American people to see through the propaganda about this war, or he is just another tool of The Empire.
Does he still have time to change his stance and save his integrity? Possibly. But I’m beginning to lose any hope that will occur. In which case I will very likely not be voting for him.
He didn’t market himself as “just any other president.” And that is the only way he will win, if he isn’t just like every other president. And that includes his uncle John F Kennedy, who lavished the same sycophantic irrational praise on Zionism, the ideology that can be traced back to the genocide committed by Moses who supposedly originally led the conquest of the land of Palestine for Jews.
Numbers 31:14-18
“Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
When will humanity broadly come to detest such cruelty and brutality even when it comes from people who claim to speak for gods? It will never as long as more people don’t have the courage to speak out against it. Rfk jr has not.
I agree with much of your logic and the principal of your anti-war beliefs.
However, to say it is "irrelevant" as to whether there has ever been a President who holds the position you are asking RFK Jr to hold is not rational. It is very relevant because RFK is really trying to be the next President of the United States. He is not playing around. He is not on a "vanity campaign" as some wrongly accuse him of being. He is truly fighting to be the next President.
That is why I asked you this question - it is one of practical presidential politics.
I understand. But I think you, and he, are making a mistake simply from a strategic perspective. He can win as not-just-another-president. He will lose if he tries to appease the willfully ignorant voters. They are the Trump and Biden base. He has the best chance of winning by taking on the establishment head on rather than cozying up with its most ardent supporters in fear that he might alienate voters. He is going to alienate the voters that would most likely support him and simply ingratiate voters that won’t be voting for him regardless. The best path to victory will be to win the independent voters, the voters who can think without having to be told what to think by rabbis, and priests, and cia agents. And *we* comprise the majority of voters, even if we aren’t the ones we hear about in the corporate news. And he would be able to convince those voters that funding Israel is bad for Americans, Israelis, Palestinians and the whole world, if he simply spoke truth to power like he postures himself as doing. The truth is on that side and Americans who are capable of thinking independently will rally to it, if he just puts out the message. Instead what seems like we are going to get is a bunch of hollow sloganeering about Peace and paranoid dispatches about the speculative dangers of 5g while he supports funding The Empire’s latest atrocities.
You make many valid points. Thank you for spelling out you position here.
I agree that Independents are the make-or-break constituency, but not all Independents support Palestine.
Many do, not all.
Also please do recall when RFK Jr went to Congress. The very first trick they pulled on him came from the horrendous Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She actually accused him of being anti-semetic and demanded he be silenced and not allowed to speak to Congress.
Being branned an "antisemite" is the quickest way for ANY presidential campaign to be completely DEAD.
RFK can't make any positive changes for America if he doesn't get elected.
Pissing off the Jewish lobby in America is a sure fire way to get exiled completely from federal poitics. Just ask Cynthia McKinney about that one.
I understand the concern about the Zionist Jewish lobby, but it’s past time it becomes obsolete. And there is no way to defeat The Empire without defeating its allies, which includes the Zionist Jewish lobby. Many Jews reject Zionism though. There is no better a time than now, when the atrocities of the Israeli government are so evident.
It’s not simply “supporting Palestine” which will win over the most independents, but focusing on American security and prosperity, rather the interests of a small cabal of megalomaniacs and superstitious zealots. Greater support to Palestine will come from shutting down all financial handouts to the Israeli government, but so will more prosperity and security for Americans and Israelis for that matter. This is can be a win win win scenario for the people who matter. And I believe it’s possible to explain that to the American people without having to resort to any deception.
I don’t think Rfk Jr would have any problems with doing that if he actually was sincerely wanting to be the “peace” candidate and spent some time investigating the issue from people who have a more nuanced understanding of the situation than celebrity orthodox rabbis.
I don’t care what aipac/mossad/Epstein/cia-mic have on rfk short of murder. RFK needs to come out and explain his bias and comical hypocrisy of values versus pro Israel stance. He needs to rethink his stand, align with American ideal values and original Presidentisl outlier goals and renounce zionist hold on usa. Then I will return to support him. He always said he did not fear death. Who yanks his short hairs? Is it worth it? #FreeGaza
He assassinated a key Iranian military leader, General Qasem Soleimani, while he was President
And here is his latest statement on Israel & Iran - which certainly leaves open the door for war with Iran. He has not made the strong line-in-the-sand statement that Kennedy has made:
""The United States will stand with Israel 100% – without hesitation, without qualification and without any apology. We're not going to be apologizing," Trump said to massive cheers, later adding he would sanction Iran and crack down on pro-Palestinian protests on US campuses."
Great article Michael 👍
Thank you Kozi!!!
Thank you. It is a significant statement on Iran, and answers some questions for me.
RFK’s statement of opposition to the decades old neocon efforts to get us to wage war on Iran, are exactly what I wanted to hear. This made my day.
The “Anne Frank Question”
In an interview with Lex Friman, https://youtu.be/UPzZClKudq8?si=h9w8K1wakg31wl9o, Mr. Kennedy tells how his father threw the gauntlet down for him and his siblings with the “Anne Frank question.”
Here is the excerpt from the interview:
Mr. Kennedy: “One of the other things that my father talked about from when I was little, he would ask us this question: If you were the family and Anne Frank came to your door and asked you to hide her, would you be one of the people who hid her and risked your own life or would you be one of the people who turned her in? … that's been kind of a lesson, a challenge that has always been near the forefront of my mind…”
Of course, I can’t be sure if or to what extent the “Anne Frank question” still plays on Mr. Kennedy’s mind these days. Still, I am wondering if it does, will he have the moral fortitude to ask himself: What would I do today if a thirteen-year-old Palestinian girl knocked on my door and asked for refuge?
As of yet, I don’t believe that the Israeli lobby owns Mr. Kennedy, but I do think that Mr. Kennedy’s uncompromising pro-Israel position is his blind spot.
Four weeks ago, Mr. Kennedy’s presidential candidacy was among the few bright and hopeful lights in a troubled, dangerous world teetering on the edge of the precipice. His blind spot must not prevent him from reaching his goal in November 2024. The US and the World need him.
I do believe we will hear Kennedy's long, nuanced, thoughtful position in this in the near future
I do hope so.
Well said! This is why I'm working to get Mr. Kennedy elected!
RFK, Jr. is calling for no war with Iran, as if that statement will rehabilitate his cratered peacenik cred. Me thinks not. Anyone siding so deeply with The Genocidal State of Israel as Kennedy does inevitably becomes a party to Israel's longstanding, extreme commitment to go to war with Iran. You can’t be for Israel post-October 7 without acknowledging war with Iran is part and parcel of that Faustian bargain.
I agree what is happening in Gaza is horrendous, but I do not agree that support for Israel after Oct 7 is equivalent to supporting WW3
That's what invading Iran is.
Follow Israeli rhetoric and stated mission -- not what we armchair strategists think, hope, and prayer will never happen.
I have and do.
I've watched closely the alliance between the NEOCONS and Israeli. I've watched NEOLIBS become NEOCONS.
But you are saying since RFK gave support to Israel after Oct 7 he will support them in war with Iran.
I believe you are wrong in that area.
It's OK to support the genocidal killing in Gaza, including thousands of children, as long as there is no war with Iran? Incredibly convoluted "logic,"
I have high respect for you, Michael, so rather than keep pushing back, I'll just say we can agree to disagree. :-)
I respect you as well Cat and look forward to continued dialogue and debate in all areas.
I just want to say how much I admire you both for how you handled this!
This is how and why we come together - respecting opinions and the person who voices opinion in a civil way. Thanks for modeling. 🙏🏼
Really? He totally supports the Israeli murderous assault on Gaza, and you are congratulating him for not wanting to go to war with Iran? How on earth can anyone say the attack of October 7 was "unprovoked," as RFK Jr asserted in his tweet on October 8? Gaza has been under Israeli siege since 2006, interrupted by repeated outright attacks on the 25 miles long by 5 miles wide Zone. Just since 2008, the Palestinian death toll (in Gaze, the West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem, neighboring nations) due to Israeli actions is 158,000. The Israeli death toll due to Palestinian action is 6000. 25 to 1. And lets not go back to 1948, or even to the late 19th Century, when the ethnic cleansing began.
How you square his "Children's Health Defense" with his call in the same tweet to provide the Israeli military with whatever it needs to pursue a long-term war, when over 3400 children have been killed in Gaza just since October 7 (another 37 in the West Bank), due to Israeli military actions? These actions have included the targeting of hospitals, 12 of which have had to be shut down. with another hospital, a Turkish one, being hit today. With the Gaza Strip being cut off from food, water and power, and often no communications with the outside world. Answers, or more obfuscations? It's up to you.
If you obfuscate, pretend to not notice,..... i will challenge you. Hypocrisy doesn't get a pass here.
Thank you for enumerating some of the many painful details.
Oddly, I never made the connection between *Children's* Health Defense and the reality of Israel's targets. I appreciate you spelling that out.
Thanks very much. 🙏🏼 I was beginning to despair about RFK Jr supporters being willing to address this glaring aspect of what he stands for. I was just unfriended on FB by one of his steadfast supporters. I was born in Tel Aviv, months before it became part of Israel, left with my family in 1958, settled in New York. I was eyewitness to ethnic cleansing. Some of the best and loudest voices about this long ongoing cleansing have been Israelis such as Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy and Amira Hass.
You make many solid points that belong in this conversation and dialogue.
We certainly do need a message of universal peace ASAP, no question about that.
Michael, you present a vague statement being all for peace, but continue to support someone who has stated the US should provide the Israeli Zionist regime with everything it needs to prosecute this campaign of ethnic cleansing. Sorry, bro, but this won't do.
This statement on Iran is a clear statement of peace. And no, it is not perfect. I'm not arguing that with you.
Politics is the art of the possible. I can think of 1,000 reasons to support RFK Jr. for president but only ONE REASON not to. To end my support for him over this issue which I have never taken an activist position on makes no sense for me.
If it makes sense for you, I respect that.
But don't forget you are giving up Health & Medical Freedom, regenerative agriculture, ending the War in Ukraine, true non-greenwashed environmentalism, common sense solutions, healing the divide, bringing statesmanship back to America and ending the Jerry Springer show we call political engagement today in our nation.
I've fought for Medical Freedom for years. I've supported candidates like Lee Zeldin in NY who I disagreed with on 50% or more of their platform because politics is the artform of the possible and folks like Zeldin supported Medical Freedom.
Michael, i have hated Noam Chomsky's stance on Operation "Pandemic" as well as 9/11. But he did well by branding the notion of "The Art of the Possible" as "crackpot realism,"
" Health & Medical Freedom, regenerative agriculture, ending the War in Ukraine, true non-greenwashed environmentalism, common sense solutions, healing the divide, bringing statesmanship back to America and ending the Jerry Springer show we call political engagement today in our nation."
You mean the boosting of an Italian corporate low wage labor camp, San Patrignano, as his model for today's Peace Corps? The appointment of a Big Pharma top executive and corporate consultant into CHD's Chief Operating Officer? The appointment of Charles Eisenstein as the campaign's chief philosopher, someone who is a key player in Celo, one of the biggest pushers of 4IR? His pushing Cryptocurrency? His continued pushing of the "Pandemic"/"COVID-19"/"SARS-Cov-2” con job, every piece of which has been revealed to be a fraud?
https://wrenchinthegears.com/2023/05/26/camelot-corner-with-operation-snow-white-and-charles-eisenstein-as-troubadour/
This has three videos. From the page.
"Hey folks, I’m going to be taking about ten days off to celebrate my mom’s 80th birthday. In the meantime, please check out the videos I made as part of my Camelot Corner series on the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. presidential campaign. The first explores an advisor to the California Chapter of Children’s Health Defense, lawyer Michael Baum who was an un-indicted co-conspirator in Operation Snow White in which covert operatives acting on behalf of Scientology stole records from numerous government offices in the 1970s. I discuss impact finance in the incarceration / recovery space and Crimanon/Narcanon, which relates to an interesting recent development. Bobby announced his vision for creating a “Peace Corps” for low-cost P3 addiction and mental health recovery centers based on the Italian San Patrignano model. In 2021, a Netflix investigative series, SanPa: Sins of the Savior, brought that program back into the public eye. SanPa, which is connected to prominent politicos and oil, finance, and manufacturing interests, practiced coerced labor, physical torture, and even murder. It’s since been rebranded as a “sustainable” social enterprise, offering an efficacious blueprint for “recovery” just in time for mass 4IR economic dispossession and cybernetic social systems engineering with digital behavior tokens.
I also made two presentations focused on the role Charles Eisenstein, advisor to Web3 social impact platform Celo, will be playing to frame out a mythology around Bobby’s “Kennedy Democrat” candidacy. In the first video I explain how the initial phase of “authoritarian government” overreach set the stage for decentralized “tagged” agents exercising a radical, participatory digital “democracy” in a surveilled “commons” using tokens and a language of programmed “community” currency in a new game of noetic emergence. Also featured is the Bretton Woods 75 anniversary event sponsored by Bancor’s Galia Benartzi, Benjamin Netanyahu’s niece by marriage to his third wife Sara. The event, which was held at the historic Mount Washington hotel and featured yoga, storytelling around the campfire, tea ceremonies, and a lively debate over the future of reserve currencies (dollar, yuan, or crypto), was attended by 200 stakeholders from the worlds of global finance, blockchain, and social impact venture philanthropy. Charles gave a keynote presentation on inter-beingness, the death of “Mother Earth,” and the emergence of a new spirit, “Lover Earth,” that comes expecting gifts and is going to be keeping track of donations and withdrawals by humanity (cue distributed ledger technology).
In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano.
Bury our hearts in Gaza. Native Lives Matter. #LandBack
The idea of basically a group of Europeans claiming superior land rights from basically a group of people who are largely descended from the Biblical era region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean (people who converted to Islam or Christianity and adopting the Arab language) is beyond obscene.
The explanation for these contradictions is “unspeakable”.
Pretty sure those statistics you're quoting about Israeli and Palestinian deaths are actually Palestinian wounded vs. Palestinian dead not Palestinian dead versus Israeli dead.
https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2023/10/102323-sjp-israel-palestine-contextualized-understanding#:~:text=Between%202008%20and%20September%20of,a%20normal%20function%20of%20occupation.
The death totals are approximately 6000 Palestinian and 300 Israeli. That's still a 20 fold difference, but a couple of orders of magnitude less than your numbers.
Here's the database where those numbers come from:
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
You are looking at the death totals of *the last three weeks or so*. NOT what i was talking about. Quoting the comment you are responding to,
"Just **since 2008**, the Palestinian death toll (in Gaze, the West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem, neighboring nations) due to Israeli actions is 158,000. The Israeli death toll due to Palestinian action is 6000. 25 to 1. And lets not go back to 1948, or even to the late 19th Century, when the ethnic cleansing began."
While it is good that he says he opposes war with Iran, his support for funding Israel is a contradiction of that. He apparently understands the relationship between funding Ukraine and the war and problems with peace but he doesn’t understand how funding Israel, a wealthy country, and giving it weapons is affecting anything? That is ludicrous. American citizens are not being warned about traveling over seas because of Biden’s stance on Iran. It’s his stance on Israel, which is even less belligerent than rfk jrs stance. And even Vivek has a better position on Israel that rfk jr. Unfortunately rfk jr is still full of shit. He hasn’t any chance of winning unless he stops supporting the funding a theocratic apartheid state that is wantonly murdering children out of vengeance and blind wrath. Rfk is blind and I have no interest in voting for him right now.
You can argue that RFK is wrong on his position(s) on Israel, but claiming he will lose the election as president of the United States over it is unrealistic.
When is the last time we had any president who was not a staunch supporter of Israel ?
“When is the last time we had any president who was not a staunch supporter of Israel ?”
That’s irrelevant. A lot of the people who are potentially going to vote for him were originally drawn to him, myself included, because of his anti-establishment, anti-forever-war stance. The fact that he is supporting the number 1 establishment forever war completely undermines his integrity. He has no more credibility than Nikki Haley or any other warmongering establishment tool as long as he supports sending American tax payer money to the Israeli government. It’s obscene. And it’s very disappointing and sad. I had briefly thought that that Rfk could represent a legitimate alternative to The Empire. But apparently right now he doesn’t either have faith in the American people to see through the propaganda about this war, or he is just another tool of The Empire.
Does he still have time to change his stance and save his integrity? Possibly. But I’m beginning to lose any hope that will occur. In which case I will very likely not be voting for him.
He didn’t market himself as “just any other president.” And that is the only way he will win, if he isn’t just like every other president. And that includes his uncle John F Kennedy, who lavished the same sycophantic irrational praise on Zionism, the ideology that can be traced back to the genocide committed by Moses who supposedly originally led the conquest of the land of Palestine for Jews.
Numbers 31:14-18
“Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
When will humanity broadly come to detest such cruelty and brutality even when it comes from people who claim to speak for gods? It will never as long as more people don’t have the courage to speak out against it. Rfk jr has not.
I agree with much of your logic and the principal of your anti-war beliefs.
However, to say it is "irrelevant" as to whether there has ever been a President who holds the position you are asking RFK Jr to hold is not rational. It is very relevant because RFK is really trying to be the next President of the United States. He is not playing around. He is not on a "vanity campaign" as some wrongly accuse him of being. He is truly fighting to be the next President.
That is why I asked you this question - it is one of practical presidential politics.
I understand. But I think you, and he, are making a mistake simply from a strategic perspective. He can win as not-just-another-president. He will lose if he tries to appease the willfully ignorant voters. They are the Trump and Biden base. He has the best chance of winning by taking on the establishment head on rather than cozying up with its most ardent supporters in fear that he might alienate voters. He is going to alienate the voters that would most likely support him and simply ingratiate voters that won’t be voting for him regardless. The best path to victory will be to win the independent voters, the voters who can think without having to be told what to think by rabbis, and priests, and cia agents. And *we* comprise the majority of voters, even if we aren’t the ones we hear about in the corporate news. And he would be able to convince those voters that funding Israel is bad for Americans, Israelis, Palestinians and the whole world, if he simply spoke truth to power like he postures himself as doing. The truth is on that side and Americans who are capable of thinking independently will rally to it, if he just puts out the message. Instead what seems like we are going to get is a bunch of hollow sloganeering about Peace and paranoid dispatches about the speculative dangers of 5g while he supports funding The Empire’s latest atrocities.
You make many valid points. Thank you for spelling out you position here.
I agree that Independents are the make-or-break constituency, but not all Independents support Palestine.
Many do, not all.
Also please do recall when RFK Jr went to Congress. The very first trick they pulled on him came from the horrendous Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She actually accused him of being anti-semetic and demanded he be silenced and not allowed to speak to Congress.
Being branned an "antisemite" is the quickest way for ANY presidential campaign to be completely DEAD.
RFK can't make any positive changes for America if he doesn't get elected.
Pissing off the Jewish lobby in America is a sure fire way to get exiled completely from federal poitics. Just ask Cynthia McKinney about that one.
I understand the concern about the Zionist Jewish lobby, but it’s past time it becomes obsolete. And there is no way to defeat The Empire without defeating its allies, which includes the Zionist Jewish lobby. Many Jews reject Zionism though. There is no better a time than now, when the atrocities of the Israeli government are so evident.
It’s not simply “supporting Palestine” which will win over the most independents, but focusing on American security and prosperity, rather the interests of a small cabal of megalomaniacs and superstitious zealots. Greater support to Palestine will come from shutting down all financial handouts to the Israeli government, but so will more prosperity and security for Americans and Israelis for that matter. This is can be a win win win scenario for the people who matter. And I believe it’s possible to explain that to the American people without having to resort to any deception.
I don’t think Rfk Jr would have any problems with doing that if he actually was sincerely wanting to be the “peace” candidate and spent some time investigating the issue from people who have a more nuanced understanding of the situation than celebrity orthodox rabbis.
I don’t care what aipac/mossad/Epstein/cia-mic have on rfk short of murder. RFK needs to come out and explain his bias and comical hypocrisy of values versus pro Israel stance. He needs to rethink his stand, align with American ideal values and original Presidentisl outlier goals and renounce zionist hold on usa. Then I will return to support him. He always said he did not fear death. Who yanks his short hairs? Is it worth it? #FreeGaza
How please has Trump left the impression that he is open to war with Iran ?
He assassinated a key Iranian military leader, General Qasem Soleimani, while he was President
And here is his latest statement on Israel & Iran - which certainly leaves open the door for war with Iran. He has not made the strong line-in-the-sand statement that Kennedy has made:
""The United States will stand with Israel 100% – without hesitation, without qualification and without any apology. We're not going to be apologizing," Trump said to massive cheers, later adding he would sanction Iran and crack down on pro-Palestinian protests on US campuses."
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/10/29/trump-warns-iran-at-republican-jewish-coalition-conference/